The church likes to do programs, whereas Jesus grew disciples in a relational setting. Programs are easier. Programs are group methods of walking people through systems. Once the program is complete it gives you a false sense of accomplishment. Relationships are about life investment in a few. They take longer. They are messier. But they actually provide the soil for the seed of transformation by God’s word through mutual interchange. They also have a much greater possibility of creating an organic network of reproduction. We will contrast programs with relationships and see what the relational approach to making disciples will include.